zen.state
Mar 26, 08:43 AM
First off congrats on your new purchase!
On to your questions..
Can I use a Sata drive run from a PCI Sata controller card as the boot drive?
Yes you can. I am booted from a SATA drive on a PCI card as I type this. For your needs I recommend the 4 channel PCI SATA card FirmTek sells.
Will the power supply be up to running 6 hard drives inside? (4 in standard locations and one in each 5.25 bay)
Yes. The Dual 867 has a 400 Watt PSU and can easily handle 6 drives. All modern drives consume around 12-15 Watts so even 6 would only be around 75-90 Watts. Unless you want to use more than one SATA PCI card you will have to make 2 of the drives PATA.
Are there any perennial issues with this model I should look out for?
The MDD is the most troublesome G4 tower but keep in mind the repair/recall on these was only for about 6% of them which is very good compared to G5 towers that range from 11-32% of systems needing repair. I have owned 2 MDD in the past and based on that and other research I have done the Dual 867MHz is the most rock solid of them all. The MDD's main issues were fan noise and some of the PSU's die after just a few years. There are a few guides around though on how to rig a standard 24 pin ATX PSU to power an MDD.
Considering it's about 8 years old now and still running you definitely have a good one.
I want to give it a good going over before I get it up and running. I was going to clean and reapply Arctic silver to the CPU/heatsink interface, upgrade to 2Gb RAM, replace the rather noisy fan with a higher CFM quieter version and anything else you guys can recommend
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On to your questions..
Can I use a Sata drive run from a PCI Sata controller card as the boot drive?
Yes you can. I am booted from a SATA drive on a PCI card as I type this. For your needs I recommend the 4 channel PCI SATA card FirmTek sells.
Will the power supply be up to running 6 hard drives inside? (4 in standard locations and one in each 5.25 bay)
Yes. The Dual 867 has a 400 Watt PSU and can easily handle 6 drives. All modern drives consume around 12-15 Watts so even 6 would only be around 75-90 Watts. Unless you want to use more than one SATA PCI card you will have to make 2 of the drives PATA.
Are there any perennial issues with this model I should look out for?
The MDD is the most troublesome G4 tower but keep in mind the repair/recall on these was only for about 6% of them which is very good compared to G5 towers that range from 11-32% of systems needing repair. I have owned 2 MDD in the past and based on that and other research I have done the Dual 867MHz is the most rock solid of them all. The MDD's main issues were fan noise and some of the PSU's die after just a few years. There are a few guides around though on how to rig a standard 24 pin ATX PSU to power an MDD.
Considering it's about 8 years old now and still running you definitely have a good one.
I want to give it a good going over before I get it up and running. I was going to clean and reapply Arctic silver to the CPU/heatsink interface, upgrade to 2Gb RAM, replace the rather noisy fan with a higher CFM quieter version and anything else you guys can recommend
Mord
Apr 18, 06:19 AM
One really talented engineer can't support two elderly people who demand a high quality of life, and do you realize what massive immigration to Europe is going to do? It will break their culture.
Break it!? More like make it.
I love life in the melting pot, it's the one thing I really miss about living in London, there's just a degree of culture clash that you don't get outside of the capital.
It won't be too long until the baby boomers start dying off, I don't think this "elderly issue" is all that much of one, for the most part they can take care of themselves, population may be slowing down but it's not crashing.
Break it!? More like make it.
I love life in the melting pot, it's the one thing I really miss about living in London, there's just a degree of culture clash that you don't get outside of the capital.
It won't be too long until the baby boomers start dying off, I don't think this "elderly issue" is all that much of one, for the most part they can take care of themselves, population may be slowing down but it's not crashing.
ucfgrad93
Oct 3, 11:50 AM
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Oct 16, 03:50 AM
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mashinhead
Mar 10, 07:46 PM
I use VLC, Gimp, and SKYPE and Wiretap, altough streamRipper (which i discovered here) Seems much better cos it breaks up the tracks for you. I bought AirFoil, cos its a great concept. but there is a delay, so its sux for dvds and stuff.
techfreak85
Mar 4, 08:59 AM
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We had a huge day yesterday! 879,000 points in a single day!
Can we hit a million points in a day?
Some more good news: at this rate, we are a week away from overtaking a team ahead of us, and less than a month from passing two more! Our biggest threat behind us is 8 months away, but by that time we will have passed at least 5 teams ahead of us. Great job guys! Keep it up!
We had a huge day yesterday! 879,000 points in a single day!
Can we hit a million points in a day?
Some more good news: at this rate, we are a week away from overtaking a team ahead of us, and less than a month from passing two more! Our biggest threat behind us is 8 months away, but by that time we will have passed at least 5 teams ahead of us. Great job guys! Keep it up!
fivepoint
Mar 2, 11:23 AM
Why We're Screwed (http://www.businessinsider.com/why-the-us-is-screwed-2011-2#) (if we don't adapt quickly)
For the sake of this discussion, let's try to avoid actually talking about who is to blame or which political party is to blame, or which ideology is to blame... and just talk about the problem we're in, how bad it is, and what needs to be done to fix it. What sacrifices need to be made, and how quickly we need to make them. There's no more denying there's a problem. The only issue now is what the solution looks like.
Please avoid the blame game. Stay on topic so we can have a meaningful discussion about actual practical solutions.
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf8349e2aec77b070000-915/first-the-big-picture-the-pie-on-the-left-is-revenue-the-money-the-government-has-available-to-spend-the-pie-on-the-right-is-expenses-the-money-the-government-actually-spends-note-the-vast-portion-of-spending-that-comes-from-the-entitlement-programs.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf4fcadcbb0d02050000-915/the-prior-chart-showed-just-a-single-year-2010-heres-what-the-deficit-looks-like-over-time-as-mary-meeker-observes-if-a-company-were-spilling-ink-like-this-shareholders-would-freak.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf454bd7c88108100000-915/and-dont-let-anyone-tell-you-that-the-problem-is-just-the-recession-here-the-problem-is-separated-into-structural-dark-blue-versus-cyclical-light-blue-were-now-screwed-even-in-good-times.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf34ccd1d54e75270000-915/basically-over-the-past-15-years-weve-spent-an-average-of-8-more-than-weve-taken-in-that-includes-those-happy-surplus-years-which-are-a-distant-memory.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf3d49e2aeba7b0a0000-915/so-whats-the-problem-well-from-a-high-level-the-problem-is-that-the-government-is-doing-a-lot-more-than-it-used-to-heres-how-spending-has-changed-as-a-percent-of-gdp-over-the-past-200-years.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf6dcadcbbf701110000-915/and-heres-a-look-at-the-same-trend-over-time-federal-government-spending-has-soared-from-3-of-gdp-to-24.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf3accd1d508770a0000-915/and-now-lets-start-to-get-a-sense-of-the-portion-of-that-spending-thats-coming-from-the-entitlement-programs-they-started-in-the-1950s-look-how-fast-theyre-growing.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf5349e2ae9a7a0c0000-915/were-also-spending-a-ton-on-housing-and-healthcare-especially-relative-to-savings.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf7649e2aea977230000-915/healthcare-spending-growth-alone-is-staggering-its-growing-7x-faster-than-gdp.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf634bd7c813083b0000-915/and-now-look-at-the-growth-of-entitlement-spending-11x-over-45-years.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf5f49e2ae107c010000-915/by-the-governments-own-estimate-entitlement-spending-plus-the-interest-on-our-debt-will-consume-all-government-revenue-by-2025-freaked-out-yet.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf7c49e2ae0c7c040000-915/all-of-this-of-course-adds-up-to-massive-future-liabilities-heres-what-our-unfunded-medicare-medicaid-and-social-security-liabilities-look-like-relative-to-our-current-debt-which-alone-is-frightening.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf2ecadcbb337f430000-915/by-the-way-if-you-exclude-what-were-spending-on-medicare-and-medicaid-the-us-budget-looks-fine-in-fact-were-actually-making-money-dont-you-wish-we-could-just-exclude-those-things.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf5accd1d5a176330000-915/but-cant-we-just-grow-our-way-out-of-the-problem-sure-if-we-grow-vastly-faster-than-we-ever-have-before-how-likely-do-you-think-that-is.jpg
While I disagree with the article's author when he says we don't spend too much on Education and Defense... he's 100% right about the MAIN problem.
What really busts our budget are the mind-boggling amounts we spend on our entitlement programs--Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (especially Medicare and Medicaid). These programs are wildly more expensive than any other budget items, and they're also growing like weeds.
If we don't get Medicare and Medicaid expenses under control, the USA will go broke, pure and simple. And yet, almost no one in Washington has the stones to even talk about this, let alone do something about it. They just kick the can down the road.
For the sake of this discussion, let's try to avoid actually talking about who is to blame or which political party is to blame, or which ideology is to blame... and just talk about the problem we're in, how bad it is, and what needs to be done to fix it. What sacrifices need to be made, and how quickly we need to make them. There's no more denying there's a problem. The only issue now is what the solution looks like.
Please avoid the blame game. Stay on topic so we can have a meaningful discussion about actual practical solutions.
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf8349e2aec77b070000-915/first-the-big-picture-the-pie-on-the-left-is-revenue-the-money-the-government-has-available-to-spend-the-pie-on-the-right-is-expenses-the-money-the-government-actually-spends-note-the-vast-portion-of-spending-that-comes-from-the-entitlement-programs.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf4fcadcbb0d02050000-915/the-prior-chart-showed-just-a-single-year-2010-heres-what-the-deficit-looks-like-over-time-as-mary-meeker-observes-if-a-company-were-spilling-ink-like-this-shareholders-would-freak.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf454bd7c88108100000-915/and-dont-let-anyone-tell-you-that-the-problem-is-just-the-recession-here-the-problem-is-separated-into-structural-dark-blue-versus-cyclical-light-blue-were-now-screwed-even-in-good-times.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf34ccd1d54e75270000-915/basically-over-the-past-15-years-weve-spent-an-average-of-8-more-than-weve-taken-in-that-includes-those-happy-surplus-years-which-are-a-distant-memory.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf3d49e2aeba7b0a0000-915/so-whats-the-problem-well-from-a-high-level-the-problem-is-that-the-government-is-doing-a-lot-more-than-it-used-to-heres-how-spending-has-changed-as-a-percent-of-gdp-over-the-past-200-years.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf6dcadcbbf701110000-915/and-heres-a-look-at-the-same-trend-over-time-federal-government-spending-has-soared-from-3-of-gdp-to-24.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf3accd1d508770a0000-915/and-now-lets-start-to-get-a-sense-of-the-portion-of-that-spending-thats-coming-from-the-entitlement-programs-they-started-in-the-1950s-look-how-fast-theyre-growing.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf5349e2ae9a7a0c0000-915/were-also-spending-a-ton-on-housing-and-healthcare-especially-relative-to-savings.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf7649e2aea977230000-915/healthcare-spending-growth-alone-is-staggering-its-growing-7x-faster-than-gdp.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf634bd7c813083b0000-915/and-now-look-at-the-growth-of-entitlement-spending-11x-over-45-years.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf5f49e2ae107c010000-915/by-the-governments-own-estimate-entitlement-spending-plus-the-interest-on-our-debt-will-consume-all-government-revenue-by-2025-freaked-out-yet.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf7c49e2ae0c7c040000-915/all-of-this-of-course-adds-up-to-massive-future-liabilities-heres-what-our-unfunded-medicare-medicaid-and-social-security-liabilities-look-like-relative-to-our-current-debt-which-alone-is-frightening.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf2ecadcbb337f430000-915/by-the-way-if-you-exclude-what-were-spending-on-medicare-and-medicaid-the-us-budget-looks-fine-in-fact-were-actually-making-money-dont-you-wish-we-could-just-exclude-those-things.jpg
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d6bbf5accd1d5a176330000-915/but-cant-we-just-grow-our-way-out-of-the-problem-sure-if-we-grow-vastly-faster-than-we-ever-have-before-how-likely-do-you-think-that-is.jpg
While I disagree with the article's author when he says we don't spend too much on Education and Defense... he's 100% right about the MAIN problem.
What really busts our budget are the mind-boggling amounts we spend on our entitlement programs--Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (especially Medicare and Medicaid). These programs are wildly more expensive than any other budget items, and they're also growing like weeds.
If we don't get Medicare and Medicaid expenses under control, the USA will go broke, pure and simple. And yet, almost no one in Washington has the stones to even talk about this, let alone do something about it. They just kick the can down the road.
Magrathea
Mar 23, 04:26 PM
As has probably been said in the forums before, $25/hour is on the low side.
Backing up a little and going slightly off topic: being passionate about something and being able to make a living at it are two totally different things. I think all creatives like ourselves should take a mandatory 6 month business class before we start our businesses. If you have bills to pay as most of us do, you gotta figure out how much you need per month and then how many clients @ x dollars per hour you need. If your living costs are low and you're just starting out then you can pretty much work for any amount just to get the experience but when you get older and you have a mortgage, car payment, kids ($$$$$$) you many end up working for someone else.
Also, now-a-days, with the power of computers and software it's pretty easy for someone not so technical to sign up for a free blog such as Tumblr and Wordpress, grab a theme for $50 and have a website up and running for next to nothing. The internet has been growing at a steady rate, even in the economic downturn (big company fires techies and they start on online company) BUT when you have too many players in any market, the middle of the market falls out. i.e. you end up haviong folks working for $10-15per hour and others working for $100. This is not good for any of us!
Also, working for ourselves we're more lightly to be tempted to tell a client to piss off as we're the boss so remember to keep your cool and be professional at all times even if the client is a no good tire kicking ^*&^* face!! And for the love of dog, make every client sign a contract where you lay out exactly what and sometimes more importantly WHAT YOU ARE NOT going to be doing for them. Client is being an ass, gently remind the client of what is written in the contract. Client is being a real ass; off to small claims court you go - one of the only decent things about the legal system in this country is that you do have certain rights compared to say other places on the globe!
OK, putting my predisposed negative Brit attitude aside and yes this disjointed rant is now coming to an end :) Nothing is stopping you from getting a book on selling, yes, we've all got to be sales people or teaming up with other to get some sweet deals!
(And as all good teachers will tell your, I've neglected most of the above in my Web Design Business to my own detriment! I have also never taken a client to court in 10 years of web design but I did think one was a no good tire kicking ^*&^* face though!)
Cheers
Backing up a little and going slightly off topic: being passionate about something and being able to make a living at it are two totally different things. I think all creatives like ourselves should take a mandatory 6 month business class before we start our businesses. If you have bills to pay as most of us do, you gotta figure out how much you need per month and then how many clients @ x dollars per hour you need. If your living costs are low and you're just starting out then you can pretty much work for any amount just to get the experience but when you get older and you have a mortgage, car payment, kids ($$$$$$) you many end up working for someone else.
Also, now-a-days, with the power of computers and software it's pretty easy for someone not so technical to sign up for a free blog such as Tumblr and Wordpress, grab a theme for $50 and have a website up and running for next to nothing. The internet has been growing at a steady rate, even in the economic downturn (big company fires techies and they start on online company) BUT when you have too many players in any market, the middle of the market falls out. i.e. you end up haviong folks working for $10-15per hour and others working for $100. This is not good for any of us!
Also, working for ourselves we're more lightly to be tempted to tell a client to piss off as we're the boss so remember to keep your cool and be professional at all times even if the client is a no good tire kicking ^*&^* face!! And for the love of dog, make every client sign a contract where you lay out exactly what and sometimes more importantly WHAT YOU ARE NOT going to be doing for them. Client is being an ass, gently remind the client of what is written in the contract. Client is being a real ass; off to small claims court you go - one of the only decent things about the legal system in this country is that you do have certain rights compared to say other places on the globe!
OK, putting my predisposed negative Brit attitude aside and yes this disjointed rant is now coming to an end :) Nothing is stopping you from getting a book on selling, yes, we've all got to be sales people or teaming up with other to get some sweet deals!
(And as all good teachers will tell your, I've neglected most of the above in my Web Design Business to my own detriment! I have also never taken a client to court in 10 years of web design but I did think one was a no good tire kicking ^*&^* face though!)
Cheers
Mr.Hey
Dec 14, 09:17 PM
lol. He's like WTF? Mac can't figure out his own Mac.
I like it. :cool: :D
I like it. :cool: :D
jwilcox09
Apr 1, 07:51 AM
Geektool
http://i52.tinypic.com/16kt3c1.png
http://i52.tinypic.com/16kt3c1.png
Porco
Apr 30, 07:45 PM
This instantly made me think of Laputa: Castle in the sky [....]
ld go for this over iCloud. It's a brilliant idea to brand a cloud related service as a castle. It just fits. They can even claim that it's "magic as a castle in the sky"
(Movie Spoiler):
As big a fan of the film, and Miyazaki, as I am, I'm not sure the end of the film would make for a good analogy!! 'Store your data with Apple: watch it crumble into the sea or float off into space!' :)
ld go for this over iCloud. It's a brilliant idea to brand a cloud related service as a castle. It just fits. They can even claim that it's "magic as a castle in the sky"
(Movie Spoiler):
As big a fan of the film, and Miyazaki, as I am, I'm not sure the end of the film would make for a good analogy!! 'Store your data with Apple: watch it crumble into the sea or float off into space!' :)
NoShoreGuy
Apr 18, 08:52 AM
Thanks!!
amacgenius
Oct 18, 03:58 PM
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Cynicalone
Apr 4, 10:30 AM
So what is the early upgrade price on Verizon?
cootersgarage6
Jan 29, 11:55 PM
I know that the fourth gen was made by HP, but what about the 5th gen, and also, was the iPod Photo and the iPod Photo (2), also made by HP?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Bern
Sep 24, 06:55 PM
I believe their words contained the phrase "ignorance is bliss".
Nero said that too as he played his fiddle. :rolleyes:
Nero said that too as he played his fiddle. :rolleyes:
Melrose
Feb 1, 11:57 AM
Usually I don't go for chicks on my desktop, but I'll make an exception this time. at least for a couple days...
http://f.cl.ly/items/2t2X1L4746250z2X2916/Picture%202.jpg
original (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64005/desktop/Misc%20Desktops/Claire%202.jpg)
http://f.cl.ly/items/2t2X1L4746250z2X2916/Picture%202.jpg
original (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64005/desktop/Misc%20Desktops/Claire%202.jpg)
verozov
Jan 12, 09:07 PM
this is stuff is great to put on iPods, especially for long trips! exactly what ive been looking for, and for free! thanks!
twoodcc
Mar 4, 09:25 AM
Yeah, we seem to have reversed the drop. The trend is really obvious if you look at our weekly and monthly charts on extremeoverclocking:
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=3446
I've added a second i7 2600k for another 50k PPD and a new quad core MBP is coming tomorrow, but I don't intend to use that for folding long term.
Also, we've just entered another cold snap here, so the GPUs can run for another week or so!
Keep it up!
Rob
that's awesome! you'll have to let us know how that quad mbp does! i wonder how much wattage it would use also?
but yeah, you and whiterabbit are carrying us right now!
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=3446
I've added a second i7 2600k for another 50k PPD and a new quad core MBP is coming tomorrow, but I don't intend to use that for folding long term.
Also, we've just entered another cold snap here, so the GPUs can run for another week or so!
Keep it up!
Rob
that's awesome! you'll have to let us know how that quad mbp does! i wonder how much wattage it would use also?
but yeah, you and whiterabbit are carrying us right now!
Mousse
May 4, 01:35 PM
It depends upon who's being grilled. If it's a lowly grunt, I'm against it. Low man on the totem usually knows next to nothing and will give crappy info just to end the torture. If it's a known high ranking big wig, I say bring out the rack, the thumb screws and the iron maiden.;) Get that bad boy to sing like a canary.:cool:
Uberglitch
Oct 19, 06:39 PM
http://att.macrumors.com/contest/2EEC64.jpg
"Ipod-Applegeeks"
Like I said, probably more forthcoming. I'll try to swing some for the marvel fans out there :-D
"Ipod-Applegeeks"
Like I said, probably more forthcoming. I'll try to swing some for the marvel fans out there :-D
100Years
Apr 21, 01:11 PM
I thought I read somewhere on this forum, that these models can work just fine with only 1 processor installed....so this got me thinking -- if you only install 1 processor, then you could go with a generic LGA1366 i7 even though it only has a single QPI link. Is this right, or am I wrong?
4JNA
Mar 31, 12:28 PM
Most paste can take up to a week or two to take it's full effect.
second that. takes a bit for everything to line up and get useful.
mmm - Geekbench score 732. woohoo
temp is sitting at around 46-47 degrees C or 117 degrees F at idle. A bit better than before the MX-2 paste.
Lets see what 2Gb of ram does
sounding good so far. i would think those temps would come down a bit more after getting set. the fans at 12v (with quiet fans) is a good idea to move as much air a possible, as long as the noise is not a problem of course.
more ram will make everything better, but will also raise the ambient temps in the case as ram does get warm.
can't wait to see how it all ends. and pics. :)
second that. takes a bit for everything to line up and get useful.
mmm - Geekbench score 732. woohoo
temp is sitting at around 46-47 degrees C or 117 degrees F at idle. A bit better than before the MX-2 paste.
Lets see what 2Gb of ram does
sounding good so far. i would think those temps would come down a bit more after getting set. the fans at 12v (with quiet fans) is a good idea to move as much air a possible, as long as the noise is not a problem of course.
more ram will make everything better, but will also raise the ambient temps in the case as ram does get warm.
can't wait to see how it all ends. and pics. :)